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Abstract
In reply to my presidential address, Rodriguez-Menendez questions my comments about poorer performance on the national licensing exam by graduates of Psy.D. programs and professional schools than by Boulder-model Ph.D. programs. He goes on to confirm that their scores are indeed significantly lower, but suggests this is not important. Apart from this apparent confirmation, the remainder of his assertions that Psy.D. programs indeed provide good scientific training appear to be contraindicated by both the model and the performance of graduates of those programs. Finally, the need for standards is again asserted, with a reiteration of the need to ask who benefits from attacks on upholding standards: the patient and profession or the one who is doing the attacking.